我覺得沒有 64-Bit Carbon 是Apple 自討苦吃 ,
很多東西要重寫 ,要改 ,只會逼人放棄 64-bit OS X .

我想光是驅動程式部分 ,就會讓一群人再跳一次腳 .

明明核心就是 C/C++ ,
偏偏挑個 Obj-C 來寫系統 APIs .

Cocoa 是不錯 ,也蠻好用的 .
但是用來寫 GUI ,總覺得不是那麼順手 .

Action/Outlet 要手動指定 ,Control 要拉來拉去 ...

GUI 的 MVC 確定了之後 ,很難改 .(起碼我不會 Orz ...)

XCode 沒有workspace 的概念 .

天啊 ,Apple 發發好心吧 ,
把 Code Warrior 或是 被 Borland 掃出門的那群人買下來吧 .

最後修改： frasier (2008-04-03 18:40:16)

Mac 大蓋又在自閉了
自己把64位元當重點推銷，說過的話又沒做到也不解釋為啥
沒64位元軟體當後盾，難到要大家買Mac灌windows嗎？
假不死到底有沒有持股微軟阿    把消費者一魚兩吃嗎？？
可憐的使用者，不用mac ox頂多邊用邊不爽，不用Adobe那可就要餓肚子了。

如果說Leopard對原生的程序（Cocoa)支持最好，速度也最快，應該沒人反對吧

Adobe也沒有說不開發，只是比推遲，而且是CS5,  我想出來的效果，會好過，勉強用Carbon寫的好。

Objective C是很好的語言，C能用的東西它都能用，只是加了一層概念。 不知道老鳥怎樣想，不對能於新手來說Objective C很簡潔，也很實用。

Sennoo 寫過:

MacHed says:
Wed Apr 02 21:36:44 PDT 2008
Re: Photoshop CS4 to be 64-bit for Windows, but not Mac
And why is Lightroom 2.0 Beta 64-bit? Simple, there is competition in that space. Aperture. This is what some users were worried about when Adobe became a monopoly in the design software space. Most designers worth their weight are using the Macintosh platform. Most of my peers are using Macs. I attended an Adobe seminar recently at a print show and 95%+ were Mac users. Why does Adobe continually short change it's Mac user base. I know they'd like it but none of us are switching to Windows. Adobe should have switched its ancient code base to cocoa long ago. Instead they took the easy way out and kept coding in carbon that everyone knew, sooner or later, was going away. Personally, I'll be sticking with CS3 until Adobe releases a native 64-bit CS solution. I hope Quark can get its act together because Adobe needs competition to keep itself honest.

在MacWorld看到的，請問Quark是什麼？

QuarkXpress排版軟體，印前出版業最常用的應用程式之一。很多業者為了它，現在都還不能丟掉Mac OS 9.2.2。

Adobe自己有個InDesign。

我在做轉播嗎？
又是一篇

dreyfus says:
Thu Apr 03 02:07:26 PDT 2008
Re: Photoshop CS4 to be 64-bit for Windows, but not Mac
Well, almost everybody was aware that Apple will kill Carbon, long before WWDC 2007. They have been pushing developers to use Cocoa for a long time and even more since the announcement of the Intel transition in 2005. That is a lame excuse, if anything. Adobe has a long standing history of milking every bit of legacy code until it finally breaks. Have a look at FrameMaker to see what I mean.

While I buy that e.g. PS is certainly more complex than the average shareware application, moving to Cocoa just for the sake of providing Mac users a better interface experience, should have been on their list for years. Looking at the continuously rising market share of the OS X platform and the high prices of Adobe products - this should go without saying.

Still: For most users this will have no great impact. The performance gains to be expected from 64-bit will in most cases also be achieved by newer CPUs, better SSE4 support in OS X and - most importantly - newer chipsets with more memory bandwidth.

To "adobephile": Your statements are as ridiculous as your nick. I do not need Adobe to do business here, I do not need localized versions of anything (the German translations are a mess and not a single piece of usable printed documentation is shipping with any Adobe product anyhow - buying third party books is a mandatory pain for every Adobe user and the German Adobe hotline is as clueless as any). We were able to buy Macromedia products from Macromedia's Web Store for ages and got the US Software for the US price plus VAT. Absolutely every other software company (including Apple and MS) can sell its software in Europe for the US price plus VAT plus a minor (10-15%) top-off for exchange rate variation and higher overheads (most will let you buy online for the same price). Adobe is the only company in existence that adds 200-250% to that bill without providing anything to justify that. We have learned our lesson and restructured our workflows. We went from 18 seats with Adobe products (CS2) to 1 (CS3), and we look forward to the day when this will be a flat zero. While some Adobe products are still unrivaled (mainly PS), the competition is moving at a much faster pace and makes more efforts to provide Mac users with a Mac user experience.

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QuarkXpress排版軟體，印前出版業最常用的應用程式之一。很多業者為了它，現在都還不能丟掉Mac OS 9.2.2。

Adobe自己有個InDesign。

原來是這樣，謝謝您的回答！

那Quark沒有競爭對手嗎？ 為什麼業者還是在用啊？

已經有答案了，謝謝啦

某些地區已經改用 InDesign，所以【最】這個字其實可以拿掉了。

最後修改： Sennoo (2008-04-04 00:02:01)

有網友有用過Lightroom和Aperture的經驗嗎？

有沒有什麼經驗分享之類的，最近對Aperture滿有興趣的說

Sennoo 寫過:

QuarkXpress排版軟體，印前出版業最常用的應用程式之一。很多業者為了它，現在都還不能丟掉Mac OS 9.2.2。
Adobe自己有個InDesign。

原來是這樣，謝謝您的回答！
那Quark沒有競爭對手嗎？ 為什麼業者還是在用啊？
已經有答案了，謝謝啦

某些地區已經改用 InDesign，所以【最】這個字其實可以拿掉了。

QuarkXpress到現在還是沒有OS X平台可以用的TC版（繁體中文版），所以習慣用QuarkXpress的設計者和印前業者，都不得不繼續用PowerPC G4/G5，直到G4/G5絕種為止。

早年Adobe本來還有個PageMaker，和QuarkXpress一樣是桌上排版應用軟體，也不難用，但在台灣總是打不過QuarkXpress（印象中QuarkXpress和印前的整合度相當好）。

嚴格說起來
Carbon drop 64-bit是對的
跟很多事情一樣
有些事情你知道是對的 你也知道做下去會被"訐譙"
但是還是要做

回顧Mac OS X發展的歷史
OS X的Architectural Design裡面本來就容不下OS 9的API
Carbon純粹是為了讓Classic Developer能夠撐到學會Cocoa為止

WWDC時候Apple自己的Engineer也有講過
其實內部是有64-bit 的Carbon
但是永遠不會推出

尤其是像32-bit=>64-bit這麼大的transition要更怕過去的債會背到下一代去

所以 身為一個Computer science的一份子
我贊成Apple drop 64-bit carbon
不過...這條路不會好走...
Apple 加油!