http://home.trtc.com.tw/EHOME/english.asp
這裡的優勝名單竟然是 .xls 檔！為何不能用非獨家的 .pdf 檔呢？ .html 也很好啊！

我猜，在 Windows 世界，要產生 .pdf 檔所需的工具程式必需另外購買，不像 Mac OS X 那樣系統直接支援。所以，沒有預算買工具程式，我們就別找麻煩了？

Hi Friends,

Finally. Someone speaks up!

Apology for the "unusual" English street names such as First Boulevard, Second Boulevard... etc. Well, why should I apologise??

Long story short..... The idea came from a reseach project in 1998 funded by a govermental organisation (well, I'd better keep it anonymous here). I was involved in the project committee to 'evaluate' whether the project leader, a Professor from NTU, has achieved the 'goals' set by the funded organisation. The reality is that this kind of committee is so routine that hardly anyone would really be picky (if you are in the academia in Taiwan, you may realise it).

The idea to have such a 'stree name system' is to help people (in particular, english-speaking individuals) understand 'hard-to-understand' Chinese street names. The system kinda follows the 'US' system as some have shown here (well, basically what systems we have here are really 'invented' by us??). The street name system is also used to name 'express ways', becasue they thought those Chinese names are hard for people to understand.

I spoke up in the committee saying the idea (well, not really a new idea but follow suits...) was good but would be useless, as Taiwanese are so used to the original street name system and why do we need to have a street name that we don't even understand, e.g. First Boulevard, Second Boulevard?? For the sake of being an 'international city', we need a easy-to-remember street name system for international visitors. Then, the question is: say, a Canadian travelling in Taipei asks you: how can I go to First Boulevard? Do you know how to answer that??

After the committee meeting, of course (as usual) no one had been picky to the NTU Professor (except a little bit from me). The Professor was in the Faculty I was before, unfortunately. More unfortunately, a few weeks later some one told me that the Professor was so upset by my comments in the meeting and called my names..... well..... I told the committee, to be an 'international city' doesn't mean we need to have everything in English. If any one of you have a chance to visit some European cities, you will find that they don't have all signs with two languages. Are those cities not 'international' enough?? I doubt it.

Still feel sorry for this. What is done is done. The expert may be an expert in academica (& politics??), but ..... see what we have got here. However, we can't look down the value of academic research, as that's also my job (but fortunately enough, not in Taiwan). 

You guys should email TRTC some comments out of this chat. It would help.

Good Day.

Paul_Huang 寫過:

不知道台北市的“專家“是否是搞出First Boulevard, Second Boulevard等等的敗類。
連Boulevard的意思都不曉得。台北的First Boulevard可能是全世界空前絕後的。

Boulevard=大道。多半是用來形容像仁愛路或敦南等有花有草的寬敞道路，但是First, Second, Third, Fourth, etc.是用到想不出點子了才用的。紐約的第六街（6th Avenue）又叫作 Avenue of Americas （1945年NYC市長La Guardia命名)。

紐約的Avenue由東邊開始數，因為太陽由東邊出來。Street由南邊開始往上數，因為所有的文化發源都是由水源開始（Manhattan南邊幾乎四周都是水）。

為何First Boulevard很好笑？本來的八德，忠孝，仁愛，信義，和平都被掃掉了，而且毫無關係。就像舞蹈一樣，要有個定點。本地人的定點是“八德，忠孝，仁愛，信義，和平“；“建國，敦化，復興“。為了要親老外的屁股搞出令人啼笑皆非的街名實在令人覺得莫名其妙。想要人迷路也不必花好幾億台幣去改街名。

Sometimes it's helpful to be more subdued in a business environment.

Why don't I illustrate my contention by re-writing the paragraph again.

We didn't realize that there were that many mistakes, so we were overwhelmed by the participation. We are still evaluating the entries. As soon as all entries have been evaluated, we will announce the results.

How's that? It is direct and concise, isn't it? Is it appropriate? I think not.

*******
Due to the all participant's recommendations are still screened by Taipei city government's bilingual advisors' committee, the announcement of the winner list will be postponed till the screening works has been completed.
    We apologize for the inconvenience.

AppleDesign 寫過:

不曉得台灣的商用英文是源自於哪裡。
很多台灣英文愛用Due to....S+V+O, S+V+O
Due to 後面只能放名詞。
話多理由多的話，請用Because或是So這種連接兩個句子的連接詞...

謝謝

了解。

不過，捷運女廁內，並沒有獨立出一個空間
（像是一些百貨公司或飯店的做法），
平台收於牆面，要用時打開下翻。

這樣的話，用"room"似乎不甚貼切？

ps 話沒說清楚，所說的女廁是指捷運內的。

Rich 寫過:

Parents Room.

ich 寫過:

（不曉得算不算離題..）

女生廁所裡有一個平台，是讓媽媽們幫小孩換尿布的地方，
我是真的不曉得正確的英文說法啦，
不過，每次看到那個"baby changing station"，
我都會忍不住想像，小孩子被放上去之後，「咻」地給吸進去，
然後，「咻」地推出另外一個小孩來..

只有少數的女生廁所，用"diaper changing station"稱呼那玩意。

我沒去過女廁，但是我見過這個東西。所以提醒您男廁也有(可能是臺大醫院站，我最常出入的站)。

ich 寫過:

（不曉得算不算離題..）

女生廁所裡有一個平台，是讓媽媽們幫小孩換尿布的地方，
我是真的不曉得正確的英文說法啦，
不過，每次看到那個"baby changing station"，
我都會忍不住想像，小孩子被放上去之後，「咻」地給吸進去，
然後，「咻」地推出另外一個小孩來..

只有少數的女生廁所，用"diaper changing station"稱呼那玩意。

leu 寫過:

可以請問一下“洋經賓“的意思還有出處或是由來嗎？
大概知道它的意思  又不是很確定
謝謝

在網路上查一查，會發現有人寫"洋經賓" "洋經幫" “洋經邦" "洋徑幫".....
其實，這個字應該寫成"洋徑浜"。

浜是支流的意思，洋徑浜原來是上海黃埔江的一條支流，沿著洋徑浜，就是當年的英、法租界。1914年，租界開發後，洋徑浜變成一條臭水溝、蚊蠅亂飛...老外便把它給填了，稱為愛多亞路，也就是今天上海有名的延安東路：外灘。

外國人稱外灘為：The Bond，怎麼來的呢？其實就是"浜"的英文發音啦。

因為租界，自然產生了一群講話不中不西、奇腔怪調的買辦...他們的講話方式，就被稱為"洋徑浜"英語囉。

最後修改： fredyuan (2005-09-24 06:46:46)

ich 寫過:

（不曉得算不算離題..）

女生廁所裡有一個平台，是讓媽媽們幫小孩換尿布的地方，
我是真的不曉得正確的英文說法啦，
不過，每次看到那個"baby changing station"，
我都會忍不住想像，小孩子被放上去之後，「咻」地給吸進去，
然後，「咻」地推出另外一個小孩來..

只有少數的女生廁所，用"diaper changing station"稱呼那玩意。

在香港，通常都寫作"Baby Changing Count" 或 "Baby Changing Bench"，這應當是英文的正式寫法。正如男更衣室便寫作 "Male Changing Room"

如果是放一個小孩子進去，再換另一個小孩出來的，應當叫 "Baby Exchange Room"
吧！

原來台灣小孩比較值錢。

fredyuan 寫過:

leu 寫過:

可以請問一下“洋經賓“的意思還有出處或是由來嗎？
大概知道它的意思  又不是很確定
謝謝

在網路上查一查，會發現有人寫"洋經賓" "洋經幫" “洋經邦" "洋徑幫".....
其實，這個字應該寫成"洋徑浜"。

浜是支流的意思，洋徑浜原來是上海黃埔江的一條支流，沿著洋徑浜，就是當年的英、法租界。1914年，租界開發後，洋徑浜變成一條臭水溝、蚊蠅亂飛...老外便把它給填了，稱為愛多亞路，也就是今天上海有名的延安東路：外灘。

外國人稱外灘為：The Bond，怎麼來的呢？其實就是"浜"的英文發音啦。

因為租界，自然產生了一群講話不中不西、奇腔怪調的買辦...他們的講話方式，就被稱為"洋徑浜"英語囉。

謝謝您
我還以為這是什麼東西的譯名呢

AppleDesign 寫過:

不曉得台灣的商用英文是源自於哪裡。
很多台灣英文愛用Due to....S+V+O, S+V+O
Due to 後面只能放名詞。
話多理由多的話，請用Because或是So這種連接兩個句子的連接詞...

謝謝

我記得高中好像是教
Due to the fact that S+V+O, S+V+O.的樣子
我也覺得這樣比較完整
我也記得Due to 之後是只能放名詞的樣子